Petrarchive – Against Nature: an autistic manifesto

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>>10198

Cope.

was literally thinking about this earlier today. my autistic friends see themselves as height of moral righteousness but whenever I've pointed out any adverse effects (one of them is obsessed with ai) that their special interest have they perform insane mental gymnastics to justify it or don't think it's of any consequence. instant dismissal without consideration of any merits of what I state.

normies are not exempt from this behavior but they're dumb and usually inherit their opinions from parents/friends/internet and choose not to put the effort into thinking about what they believe...and yet I've discovered that if you present your arguments in a way they understand and be gentle in your approach they're open to amending or at least seriously reevaluating their beliefs and opinions. not a chance of that happening with autistic people unless experts in their interest assert the same. kinda like how incels dismiss what a woman says but if other men or their favorite youtuber says the same thing they'll accept it without question. as I'm typing this i realise that same goes for ultra religious

>>10201

What's strange is autistics are encouraged to indulge their alienation, even embrace aberrant fantasies (think Otherkin). The cliche is, of course, 'if they are not hurting anyone...' - but what if they are hurting themselves?

Do people have working definition of a happy person as someone so totally removed from the fulfilment of human connection that they retreat into a solipsistic fantasy to simulate emotional needs. If so, perhaps autists are not solely maladjusted...

"my autistic friends see themselves as height of moral righteousness"
seriously can't believe this most of the time. I had a friend who even though they'd only been taking hormones (MTF) for a couple months, thought it was a good idea to enter a rock climbing competition as a woman and got first place.

the true blue hyperrationalist is so rare you can't even find them in the aspie community anymore.

Interfacing with media doesn't feel like extreme interiority to me. Particularly not when connected to a global network of servers. I feel more like an extension of my computer than someone engaged in Christian self-analysis or Buddhist self-enclosure. It does make it easier not to go outside I guess, so I see the retreat you mention, but I'm not sure that Huysmans's protagonist would still recognize himself in a digital world.

>>10218

Of course, merely interfacing with media isn't maladaptive - having a room full of gundams, however. And I wouldn't gesture to the internet's globality being anything substantial or substitutional for anyone (smartphones have made us dumber, if you will.)

>>10219
What I mean is that being online is not a retreat into the interior, it's not being alone with your self, or introspecting. To me it feels more like being plugged into a collective or global consciousness. It's not quite that but some technolyzed state of mind that didn't really exist before and that transformed the experience of being alone in a room into something different. So the idea of a Huysmans style protagonist living like a hermit secluded in his remote villa with his books doesn't really apply in a direct sense. Also consuming otaku media like the average 4chan neet today feels very different from how des Esseintes related to his books and the literary tradition. I guess I am just vaguely responding with scepticism to OP's implied equivalence between today's culture of shut-ins and neets and des Esseintes.

>>10219
Ancient /b/ image marred by soyjack from the nu-generation u__u

>>10220

Yeah, look, I hate using the word "egregore" because it's overused le gnostic esotericism but what else could you possibly call this? People today move like birds in a flock making these strange patterns and shapes. It's not "lock step" it's this organic collective movement. "Current-thing" looks very different to how it did in the 60s-70s, when it was whatever NYT writers had an obsession with. Today there is a billboard hot 100 of current-things, each current-thing with it's own beating heart and collective consciousness attached. When a current-thing dies I really think it's a tragedy on par with a real person dying. I think that discourse/fashion/psychological cycles have a soul, in a real literal-ish way. When people stop pretending to have ADHD it will be like napoleon dying

>>10220
There is a generational gap which is why you and OP are talking past each other. You are from the mid or older millennial group so your understanding of internet and internet culture is informed by that time and state of computing/internet; filesharing, desktop computing, IRC and so on. The internet has slowly been transforming into a much more passive, streamlined experience, akin to augmented video streaming entertainment (when it is not literally so), which is where OP's zoomer perspective comes from. This explains his previous thread where he claims that computers killed autists, because his understanding of technology starts and stops at phones and apps, and he has completely missed the golden age of computing and internet which was the autist's Jerusalem.

>>10220
I'm a zoomer and I see both of these perspectives but you might be underestimating the gradation of the change. My augmented video streaming entertainment is mostly watching <1k streams of various comedians I like, which is much closer in emotional/social effect to what text browsing brought me in 2017 than text browsing brings me now. I was exposed earlier than average though (circa 2011) which could be coloring my perspective. Filesharing is in a great place right now btw.

To me it feels like I'm plugged into a fragile consciousness, like here is the space on the internet where schizoids of my socioeconomic milieu discuss music, here's where autists of my generation discuss sports, for some reason there are 15 year-olds and 45 year-olds watching the same YouTubers as me. Similar to the billboard hot 100 metaphor which I thought was great.

>>10198
Seethe about it jannie

>>10223
Arendt writes about this. It's "the blob".

>>10232
Sorry zoomie you never achieved consciousness. You have zero clue what Jerusalem was, and you are too much of an iPad baby homunculus to ever understand what it was to be a free mind in the digital presence of other free minds.
> You will never have a Bow of burning gold:
> You will never have arrows of desire
> You will never have a Spear
> You will never have a Chariot of fire!

>>10249
I was going to say something about my dad's G4 and ask whether you're enough of a 94 (or 87 lol) maximalist to think the internet is functionally the same now as 2011 (reductive imo but fair enough) but I realized I was too JS-addled to respond to the right post so fair enough

I really liked Huysmans' Down There, learning about Satanism in fin de sciele france was fun :)

Is Against the Grain worth reading?